WHO CARES

[slippery]

IT is interesting with all the trouble that DANA and it's employees are in ,you would think that there would  be hundreds more people on this site gettin and giving information so that they could  group together and fight as one unit  BUT I guess not  and even the ones that are members have very little input. I know in the next few months there will be hundreds here      that they have no jobs ,lost wages and can not survive.
even the pensioners will be crying about the bastards at DANA taking away their benefits ( they didn't take any thing, you all gave it away ) where are all the DANA employees right now . INSTEAD of sitting at the local coffee shop , grab a coffee  and group together at the UNION OFFICE and make sure the exec. understand that the REAL DANA people will not except concessions or cuts to the contracts YOU are paying for a service so make them work for what they say they are all about.
RIGHTS OF THE WORKERS.(and supposedly UNITED)

[hayesdanaman]

your bang on as usuall    but it would seem that I Me am the object of their     affection    so i'll just shut up for a while and see what happens

now watch the reaction

[stargrazer1]

New guy on block.i have 30+ years in at Dana and gave them blood sweat and tears.now they want to take even more.i work in the fwp and i think we have given dana enough.management has no idea how to fix the problem.Because they are the problem.all i here is how burns and his buddies are going to save dana buy screwing all of us.but no idea on how to make money.that is what we know how to do.started when they quit hiring from within dana and started hiring bean counters.i agree with you slippery lets not give them anything more.lets all keep together.only the people on the floor can fix managements screw ups. oh and this was no accident.nobody could screw this world class company up like this unless it was planed.it ran good for what about 50 years.and then in the last 10yrs.bankrupt.bullcrap

[slinger]

What are the union guys willing to accept? We all know that dana wants every one to work for minimum wages with no benefits, hell slippery can even figure that one out,   . What would you guys be happy with? Is there a happy medium or is it all or nothing? I agree that the cuts they want are a little much, ok not a little much their insulting, so what will it take?

[stargrazer1]

I don't know what they will accept.I just know I am done giving them anything.I heared our plant give back over 200 million and counting in the last few contracts. We used to have sales of 120+ million a month in the 90's.Now they expect us to lose millions per 1/4. Why sould I give them more money?It might put them out of business. I don't understand who will buy there stuff.When we are all making minimum wages.

[slippery]

i see we didn't have to many visitors on the week end ,  hope you were all
chit chatting and making plans on how your locals are going to handle the unions ,when they all return with BURNS , cut the employees throats contract     .  sure you were
 It seems to me that we have fewer and  fewer people each day

OH well that's life

Just hope we don't get        flooded in a few weeks with people.  IT WILL BE TO LATE  

[dockdabber]

My guess is the Unions already have the package.  Maby not the local leadership, but i think the International has talked behind the local peoples back.  Its a matter of how to convince the local boys to take the concession package back to the membership and what to say in the selling process.  How to sell this package and at the same time save face as much as possiable with the members.  This  is going to be trickey as the local boys want to hang on to their elected jobs.  I just cant see the International leaders allowing the members to strike.  Those leaderd could care less because their wages and benefits are not paid by Dana.  They work for the union, and as we all know, we dont elect those people.they are appointed.  They say its important that we vote in government elections, but yet when it comes to electing our International union leaders we have no say.  I SEE NO WAY YOU WILL BE STRIKING.  i HOPE I AM WRONG THOUGH.  GOOD LUCK.

[slippery]

Point well taken . now is the time to stand up to the big boys at the top of the (unions ). after all THEY are the ones that said , (that they would strike if the judge allowed Dana to break the contracts. ) At the last min they come to court with DANA and pull the most underhanded  ploy in the history of any unions in history .  DANA is paying  or is going to   .If either of these unions come back with concessions they should be charged with false representation and all  locals should walk  and get rid of these  unions . They are a business that is no different then any business, they are there to make money no matter what it takes to do so..

QUESTION : if the uaw went out of bussness who would get all the money the have          

[dockdabber]

Man you raise a good point, and a damn good question.  The only  friend the working man has is his Dog.

[hayesdanaman]

Simple answer
In the USA And Canada Big Brother better known as The Government

sorry i could not shut up any longer

[slippery]

ARE you positive of that and can you guarantee it

[slinger]

Well I hope that you dont strike and Dana just relises that its best just to keep some things the way they are. But I also know that uper managment is just concerned about thier pay checks and bonuses. We have lost 30 full time people in the last 10 days and when it was brought up in a meeting yesturday we were told not to worry they would just bring in more temps  Right now I would say over a third of Dry Ridge is temps. Hopefuly your managment dont see it the same way as ours. Cause if thats the case they will just bring in temps at half the cost they are paying you guys, and if Ford is involed it is a fact that they will bring their own in to work straight from Detiot. We now have 41 temps from Detriot that Ford has sent down.

[dockdabber]

Even though you people are not union there,  you would think that the UAW would be raising hell with Ford about this situtation.  They need to do something to improve their image with non union plants.  Your local people who were trying to organize your plant should still be talking with them about this.  But then again since the election went down, the truth is at this point there is no dues money comming there way.  But again that probably wouldn't make a differance anyway.  If you do hear that something is being done with Ford and the UAW , get proof because the are very good with lip service.  You people just keep a eye on this site and in a couple weeks you will see how the UAW is concerned with IPS.  As far as your concern weather or not there will be a strike most likely not.  The people have voted for strike, but again the goal of the UAW is to keep those people in the plants, the dues money comming to Detroit, and last but not least the keep the BIG THREE UP AND RUNNING....  September it will be a different story, and IPS will pay the bill.

[hayesdanaman]

yep positive  

[hayesdanaman]

like we have all heard before this company belongs to them and they can run it the way THEY want to.If they want to release full time and replace them with temps there"s not a hell of a lot you can do about it.After all you people in here who come from thorold frame plant went thru the same #x@# with Mc -----    and company they did what they wanted and the union agreed (all gray area)